Local Drummer Weighs In On Rolling Stone's "100 Best Drummers" - by Pete Vogel

Above all things, I’m a drummer.  It’s what I love the most: it’s what I listen to when a song comes on the radio; it’s what makes me feel the most alive as a musician.  When Colin asked my impressions of Rolling Stone’s 100 Best Drummers, I told him I’d write my reflections on it.  It would take too long to reflect on all 100, so I thought I’d focus on 10 points that are significant to the list.

94. Meg White – Sadly, she shouldn’t be on the list.  She probably shouldn’t even be on a Top 200 list.  I’m not trying to disparage women and drumming—I’ve had several chick drummers as students—but I know a seventh-grade girl who plays better than Meg.  I imagine you probably do, too.

54. Questlove – I’m sorry, but Questlove is a mediocre drummer in a mediocre band that just happens to be on television five times a week.  That doesn’t qualify.  For him to be ahead of such luminaries as Manu Katche, Mick Fleetwood, Max Weinberg and Tony Thompson is a travesty, IMHO.  

15. Buddy Rich and 14. Ringo Star – Again, I’m not sure what the powers-that-be were thinking, but Buddy Rich completely revolutionized the Big Band/Swing era and Ringo was the least influential Beatle of the four.  Buddy was one of the first drummers to add an extended solo into the choreography of a concert; (click here for a sample video) Ringo is the reason for drummer jokes.  Ringo was an average drummer in a great band; his only noteworthy contribution (IMHO) was his unique drumming on “Come Together.”  Everything else was pretty much par for the course.  His son, Zak Starkey, is far better, and he’s not even on the list.  Buddy Rich should be top 5 and Ringo should be in the 50's or 60's, if not further down.

12. Charlie Watts - A prime example of a jazz drummer who took the better-paying gig.  His musical contributions to the Rolling Stones were vanilla at best; he took no risks in his playing, minimized his role to the backbeat (and backseat) and looks bored out of his skull in the process.  This drummer is so lazy: he takes the 4th beat of every measure off…watch him play the hi-hat and you’ll see he skips the fourth beat practically every time.  I know he plays for the band this magazine was named after, but 12 is 88 spots too high.  I’ll give him props for his beat on “Beast of Burden,” but that’s it.  People don’t go to a Stones concert to watch Charlie Watts.  Never.

7. Gene Krupa – I’m very glad he was voted this high on the list.  He begat the modern era of drumming, putting the drums on a level-playing field with other instruments.  He influenced Keith Moon, Mitch Mitchell and Ginger Baker with his bombastic playing, showmanship, stick twirling and double-bass kit.  He really was the first showman behind the drums, so I’m glad he’s given props for this.  Well played, RS. (click here to see Gene Krupa vs Buddy Rich)

4. Neil Peart – Neil sits at number 4, and I think that number is too low.  Neil revolutionized rock drumming: he actually created compositions with his drumbeats/fills/solos and anyone who sees him live knows he plays these parts with consistency.  He plays with precision and intention—the same way a guitarist or keyboardist would write a solo.  Whether or not you’re a Rush fan (I happen to be), Neil’s contribution to drumming is in a class by itself.  Fans of his obsess over his drumming, his drum-kits, his lyric writing, his travel books and his legacy to rock drumming.  People take pictures of his rotating drum-kit the same way others take pictures of models.  He brought a beauty and originality to drumming that is unsurpassed by any of his contemporaries.  By the fact that he played in the same band with the same guys for over forty years also says something about the staying power of his genius.  In my opinion, he should be number one.  (Click here to see Neil playing at the Buddy Rich tribute)  and  ( click here to see Neil playing a drum solo on David Letterman. Yes, he got his on solo spot on network TV)

3. Ginger Baker – Ginger is great, but not number 3.  Definitely better than Charlie Watts and Meg White, but Manu Katche?  Bill Bruford?  Carter Beauford?  Not so sure about that.  Top 15 for sure.  His marriage of jazz and rock is his greatest contribution, on par with Bruford and Beauford. ( Beware of Mr. Baker is an excellent movie about Mr. Baker )

2. Keith Moon.  The Who is my favorite band, bar none.  I love Keith Moon.  But Keith peaked around ‘71 or ’72 and became victim to the excesses of rock and roll shortly after that.  His playing diminished considerably by ’74 or ’75.  That said, what Keith Moon did to rock and roll from ’65 to ‘69 was a quantum leap for rock drummers.  Prior to him, drummers sat in the back and were rarely seen or heard; their job was to be a metronome for the other players.  Keith put the drums at the forefront of rock music and made the instrument as loud, bombastic and unforgettable as the guitarist or lead vocalist.  He completely changed the face of rock drumming.  If you want to get a sampling of his skills, watch The Who perform “A Quick One” on video and you’ll see genius pouring out of that man.  Sadly, drugs and drink affected his playing so much that by the time his career (and life) ended he was a shadow of his former self.  For that reason, he should be top 5, but not number 2.  (click here to see Keith in action on Amazing Journey)

1. John Bonham.  He’s great.  A beast.  A back-beat god.  A groovemeister.  But not number 1.  How about number 2?  With Neil being number 1?   Works for me.  He’s been dead since 1979; I think longevity, staying power, and creating an everlasting legacy should be included as qualities for the “greatest.”  I give the nod to Neil on this.  Bonham is number 2. (listen to this)

Dishonorable unmentionables: What about Carl Palmer?  Mark Brzezicki?  Dave Weckl?  Omar Hakim?  Simon Phillips?  Mark Portnoy?  John Panozzo?  Zak Starkey?  There were a lot of greats that were a no-show here.  At times it seems like these lists go the way of American Idol: more of a popularity contest than a critical examination of talent.  For Travis Barker to get the nod over Simon Phillips is just wrong.

I also want to address two great drummers from Columbus who should be on this list: Pete Retzlaff (who hails from Bexley, but teaches in NYC), and Tony McClung: who is the best drummer in town.  These guys are at the top of my list!

I’m happy to report that I’m at the top of two peoples’ list: my brothers Jim and Andy.  I’m glad somebody out there likes me!  ;-) 

Click here to see the entire Rolling Stone "100 Best Drummers" list.

 

Pete Vogel is a drummer, musician, teacher, movie director and many other things. Click here to visit his website.  

HBO's "VINYL" Is A Wild Ride With More Than a Few Bad Bumps - by Jon Peterson

When HBO first announced that they were producing a new dramatic series about the radio & record industry that was set in the 1970's, I got really excited.  Even more reason to get "amped up" when it was announced that Martin Scorsese was co-creating this series with Mick Jagger and Terrence Winter, the writer of dozens of great Boardwalk Empire and Sopranos episodes.  With that creative team, Vinyl would surely feature a mind-blowing blend of sex & drugs & rock n' roll... all in the appropriate dosages... with top-notch storytelling. But that was a rock and roll fantasy.... all happening in my head.  

I had hoped for a synergistic blend of these major talents to knock it out of the park and create my favorite HBO show ever.  At the very least, all the earmarks were certainly there for a fantastic series.  Scorsese is a director who has utilized rock music in his films better than anyone else.  Anyone who has seen Mean Streets and Goodfellas knows what I'm talking about.  With Vinyl, he was teaming up with HBO's finest writer and Mick Jagger, the ultimate rock icon with six decades of first-hand music industry knowledge.  

If you are late to the party, the Season One finale just aired last night.  So perhaps it's time to binge... especially if you are an insane music freak or radio & records insider. 

Or... maybe not?   I mean, you would naturally think that folks like us should dig this show the most!!

Well, although I am still enjoying the show, it is not without a struggle.  For me, knowing a lot about rock n' roll history has actually made it a more difficult experience to just "let go" and enjoy the sensory overload.  But I can't let go of all the inside knowledge and rock background:  like the liner note details on the inside sleeve of "Let It Bleed"; it's the kind of shit I tend to memorize.  Folks like myself (and I'm sure most of the regular Pencilstorm readers) tend to be sticklers for historical accuracy and detail.  

Did Robert Plant really have last minute doubts about re-signing a deal with Atlantic?  Were Grand Funk Railroad, Donny Osmond, America and Robert Goulet all on the same label... real or otherwise?  Did a Sex Pistols-like UK Punk band exist in 1973 that the fictional band here (The Nasty Bits) were based on?  Last time I checked, The Sex Pistols formed in 1975 while The Clash and The Damned formed in 1976.  

Last time I checked the timelines, The New York Dolls were an underground cult band that got virtually no radio airplay at all.  To a younger viewer or mini-rock fan, Vinyl makes you think that they has some of the top selling records of 1973.  As a reality check, some of the top hits of that pretty dreadful year include "Tie A Yellow Ribbon," "Half Breed," "Delta Dawn" and "The Night The Lights Went Out In Georgia."  

Okay, there was some decent rock stuff too that year.  But even some of the better hits were all pretty mainstream songs, including "We're An American Band," "Little Willie," Frankenstein," "Smoke On The Water" and "Crocodile Rock."  All of that, a far cry from Sex Pistol-like songs that say "fuck, fuck, fuck."

So that's where Vinyl has some real issues. I have no problem at all with fictional characters intersecting with historical timelines... but those timelines have to be correct.  And the overarching vibe of the plot details must resemble something close to the reality of 1973... or don't set the damn show in 1973.  Happy Days had an amorphous blob as to what year is actually was supposed to taking place in.....same here!

I I truly think that the less one know about rock/pop hit music of 1973 or the radio & record industry, the better.  Indeed, some of my twenty and thirty-something colleagues at work think the series is amazing... as good as "The Wolf of Wall Street," as they say. Get it? They love that cartoon-like hedonism!  "It's all old and before my time. Correct details don't really matter!"

But here is a better analogy. "The Goldbergs" is a current comedy on ABC set in the 1980's that zips around the entire decade to mix historical tidbits and fads with the fictional narrative because they don't think the audience will know (or care) anything about the actually historical timeline,... all to broad comic effect.  With Vinyl, a similar thing is happening.  Yeah, it's a drama, but it's also a bit of a broad "cartoon" of non-stop-partying and hedonistic excess. And the more clueless about the actual shenanigans of rock n' roll sausage-grinding and hit-making of 1973, the better! 

So in true rock nerd style... here are some bullet-pointed Cliff Notes:

THE GOOD

--- The Production Design - It sure looks and feels like the streets of NYC in 1973... dirty, raunchy and bursting with musical excitement. It's also pretty damn cool seeing historical landmarks like Max's Kansas City and a Sam Goody's record store.

--- The Physicality of the Acting - Bobby Cannavale (from Boardwalk Empire and Nurse Jackie) has the perfect blend of ego, attitude and over-the-top wild kinetic energy as record company president Richie Finestra.  He does his lines of coke with the same zeal and screams of madness as Al Pacino in Scarface.  Also impressive is James Jagger (Mick's son) who plays Kip Stevens, the lead singer of a proto-punk band called The Nasty Bits.  He's got the 'fuck off' attitude and sneer down perfectly. Like father, like son...probably not a hard acting stretch for him.. given his pedigree.  But despite all the great technical acting and period hair/makeup and costumes..... there is definitely a lack of emotional depth to it all.  That problem, however, could be inseparably tied to the show's writing and premise.  See next section below.

--- The Acting of Ray Romano - Probably the most impressive dramatic acting comes courtesy of Ray Romano from the great TV comedy "Everybody Loves Raymond."  As Zack Yanovich, the Head of Radio Promotion at the mythical American Century Records, Ray brings surprising depth and nuance to his character who laughs, cries and tries to bring a creative edge and common sense to his senior leadership position,

--- (Some of the) Rock Stars that intersect with the fictional story-line -  Throughout the season, we are treated to more than a handful of re-created rock star encounters. These appearances are most successful when they are not integral to the plot and do not change important facts in Rock History.  It sure is fun to see John Lennon & May Pang out partying and having a night on the town, or seeing The New York Dolls on stage in present day 1973, or The Velvet Underground on stage in 1967 (via a flashback).  It also is pretty cool that Richie's wife was one of Andy Warhol's former Factory girls... providing alot of insight into her character's party girl past. See, none of that fiction messes up anything in Rock History.  Or if David Bowie is soundschecking during the Ziggy Stardust tour and is friends with a women publicist at the record company and comes over to chat with her... all that can provide for a colorful backdrop. Where all this becomes a lot more problematic is when these characters are more than just cameos.  Sometimes they  are fully integral into the plot.. with the result of that fictional storyline bastardizing rock history in the process.  See "The Bad" below.....

--- The Most Revealing Scene about the Music Industry - When a wild-man radio station group owner (played by Andrew Dice Clay) attacks Richie in a drug-fueled rage, an Indy Promo Man named Joe Corso (hired by Richie) pulls him off and kills him with violent gusto.  After he bludgeons him and bashes in his skull with a lamp, Richie says "Why did you do that?"  Corso replies, "I didn't do it, you did!" This totally illustrates the symbiotic need for record labels to hire indy promo people.  They hire these Indy Promo guys to "do what needs to be done" to secure radio airplay. Thinking they are finding easy solutions, they actually are creating their own scary monsters for the future.

--- The Coolest Intersection of Fact and Fiction - comes in the episode where Richie gets a meeting with Elvis in the Las Vegas Hilton after a show. Elvis is getting fat and bloated, but listens to Richie's passionate plea to get out of his RCA deal and come to the fictional American Century.  Richie promises to hire all Memphis session men and have Pops Staples produce.  Elvis says "You get it, you get" and is all set to jump ship... until Col. Parker comes back to room and he caves.   This is awesome because it doesn't fuck with rock history... because it didn't actually happen... and it didn't create a convoluted outcome.  It's cool because it happened behind closed doors and  makes us all think... "Wow.. what if! What if?!?"  


THE BAD

--- The Lack of Emotional Depth - It's hard to say the problem here is entirely with the cast.  Bobby Cannivale is a top notch actor and is certainly capable of creating a complicated portrayal. The script tells us we are to believe that he also loves his wife, and really wants to live a sober life too. It just all goes to hell as soon as he sees the bags of drugs.  I guess that emotional depth thing is tough when you are rockin' a 70s 'shag haircut' and a polyester shirt and snorting blow like Tony Montana.

--- Rock Stars that become part of the story line - The cameos are usually fine.  What I don't like is when there is an inference or fictional plot detail that flies in the face of rock history.  In the finale, we see The Ramones in the audience watching the fictional Nasty Bits on stage..... supposedly getting inspiration and stealing their sloppy style. Okay, something like that might have actually happened, but if it did, it was from seeing The Dictators, an American Pop Punk band from 1973 that  was also a total flop in terms of hit-making, not from a fictional UK band resembling the Sex Pistols that were still three more years in the future. Then there's the Alice Cooper episode, where an American Century A&R guy tries to get Alice Cooper to dump his band and go solo.  Alice outs him in front of his boys and they tie him up and scare the shit out of him by sticking his head in their stage guillotine. The problem here?  Alice did dump his band and go solo in 1975... so it's not to much of a stretch to think he might have been thinking about that in 1973.  But this fictional outcome was a lot more inherently visual.  Then of course, there's the pilot where Robert Plant is thinking about jumping ship from Atlantic and signing with another label at the end of their five year contract. Fictional here, but it would make someone not aware of that fact think that the mighty Zeppelin actually contemplated that.  The truth of the matter is that Atlantic was more than happy to let them form their own imprint label (Swan Song) and continue with their distribution... which, by the way, happened in May of 1974, not 1973.

--- The Transitional "Rock Ghost" storytelling device - The writers/producers use a "Rock History" ghost to act as a Greek Chorus, of sorts, to provide a recurring transitional device. Ritchie and Zack travel to Southern California? Then create a "Rock Ghost" segue by showing Jan & Dean singing "Surf City, here I come."  Ritchie is feeling sad and delusional? Their visually re-occurring solution is to have the Rock Ghost sing "It's Only Make Believe" by Conway Twitty.  Conway Twitty?!?!? Even without the running gag of the Rock Ghost, music is used in a similar "broad stroke" manner. Richie is feeling nervous and psychotic, play "Psychotic Reaction" by Count Five from 1965.  None of all this has anything to do with 1973 making hit records on vinyl.  All this reminds me of a bad version of what was done much more artfully in American Graffiti. The season ends on the MC5's "Kick Out the Jams".....which is obviously super-cool and bad-ass.  I'm just not certain it's relevant. In fact, I can't even see Seymour Stein picking that as 'theme music' for Sire Records.

--- The Name of the Series - A Hipster underground reference, Vinyl was actually a 1965 experimental film by Andy Warhol.  Who the hell knows that?  I didn't even know that.  'Vinyl' was a term said very rarely and didn't come into more prominent use until the 1990's.....when nostalgic club DJ's and others lamented the death of vinyl records.  It was not a term ever used in the 1970's in any kind of meaningful way.  It was all 45, LP, cassette or eight track!

--- The Opening Title Sequence - I have nothing against expressionism: indeed, Boardwalk Empire's title sequence was absolutely mind-blowing.  But there is nothing going on here.  A B&W shot of a needle skipping grooves interlaced with bouncing coke powder and/or sizzling heroin, quick abstract images.....I guess I just expected Kodachome's nice warm colors and the greens of summer.

THE UGLY

--- The Overall Writing - and all the dud scenes.  Get a research team to interview industry folks and have them write down record company terms like "rackjobbers" or let them tell you about the "buying back cut-out" scams... and then write dialogue about it.  Research the names of radio stations and DJ's and figure out ways to "name check" them in.  Read Tommy James' book about how the Mob owned him and figure out a way to work it in.  Create a fictional label that has an actual roster of America, Donny Osmond, Grand Funk Railroad, Robert Goulette and others.....all of whom were on different labels.  Hearing an insider thing like "Musicians Cemetery of America" (a common joke about MCA) and somehow equating it to this fictional label.  Yeah, all that makes for a fun "Oh, I know the cross-checked reference"... but does it actually move the plot forward?  Or it is just "insider dictionary" swallowing?

--- The Lack Of Ht Music from 1973 - If you are trying to make the point that radio music of the day was super lame... and that Richie is trying to create something fresh and exciting, then play us something lame like The Carpenters "Sing."  If American Century is about to sign a huge fictional early Disco act, then play us some actual songs like "Keep On Trucking" or "Love Train."  Make it actually feel like 1973... that would be "good history."  It would also cost the producers a lot of money in publishing and licensing rights. Let's not forget that Mick Jagger was also a graduate of the London School of Economics.  

--- The Overall Premise - That Richie, as a boy loved the rawness and power of jazz and blues... and that somehow correlates to his desire for something similar in 1973.  The music business is, first and foremost, a business! Indeed, his fictional American Century label made a boatload of money on mainstream pop music (like Donny Osmond) that sold through.  It was not a charity or hipster appreciation society. 

--- The Overarching Dramatic Story line - Sure, it was a dirty game back then.  But there were never any record company presidents murdering owners of radio station clusters like here.  Yes, there was the Mob and a lot of illegal activity.  It's all just a bit silly and over the top.  But then again, Vinyl is a drama... and Martin Scorsese is involved.  

So with all this complaining, the truth is that I am still enjoying it enough to see where Season Two takes us.  Hey, a name check of "Pet Sounds" in the finale can't be all bad!  

But there's a saying in the recording studio that "too many cooks will spoil the broth."  Indeed, there was only one Brian Wilson in charge of that masterpiece, not three.  What seems to have happened here is that too much of the creative work was a  "decision by the brain trust committee".. and the working in of all those "high concepts" was no easy feat.

Interesting side note, perhaps Terrence Winter thought so too.....as he is now gone. In April 2016 it was announced that Winter left his position as an Executive Producer due to "creative differences."  He was just replaced by Scott Z. Burns.  I'm sure that Vinyl will just "Keep On Truckin'!!!"

"Wild Jon" Peterson is the Host of "Shakin It" on WCBE.  He was also a radio programmer at KPFK Los Angeles, WRLT Nashville, WRNR Annapolis and WIVI/Pirate Radio in the U.S. Virgin Islands.  He was also Head of Promotion at Arista Austin Records.

Introducing THE Pencilstorm Hall of Fame Class of 2016

It wasn't easy, but after thousands of emails, hundreds of beers, countless text messages and even a cold stare or two around the Pencilstorm office, we are proud to announce the 2016 class of THE Pencilstorm Hall of Fame. As happy as we are for the winners, I'd like to remind those that didn't make the cut that there is always next year so don't give up hope. And thanks to all who packed the CD102.5 Big Room Bar for the induction ceremony and an amazing set by Willie Phoenix and The Soul Underground. 

THE Pencilstorm Hall of Fame Class of 2016:

Willie Phoenix   (Click here to read Ricki C. making the case for Willie)

Galaga               (Click here to read Colin making the case for Galaga)

Guns and Roses Live from The Ritz 1988    (click here to read Big $ making the case for GnR)

The CD1025 Andymanathon      (more on this coming soon)

Goodfellas "What's So Funny About Me?" scene.  (Click here to read Wal making the case)

Mean Mr. Mustard's AC/DC - Cult night. ( Click here to read Wal making the case

Mr. Show - Episode 22 "Show Me Your Weenis  (more on this coming soon)

The Knack - Get The Knack  (Scott Carr explains why he supports The Knack

Ice Cold Canned Beer  (more on this coming soon)

My Twenty Favorite Springsteen Songs on April 12th, 11:36 A.M. - by Colin Gawel

I'm sitting at Colin's Coffee getting stoked for tonight's Springsteen show and I decided to write out my twenty favorite Springsteen songs. They had to be off the top of my head and the pen could never leave the paper. This sort of thing happens with too much coffee and too few customers. If you want some real Springsteen stories, like the time I hung out with the Boss one on one for about an hour. Click here.

Off the top of my head. My twenty favorite Springsteen songs. They aren't ranked but..this is the order they popped into my head.

Darkness on the Edge of Town

Badlands

Backstreets

The Rising

Reason to Believe

Brilliant Disguise

Leap of Faith

Long Walk Home

Stolen Car

From Small Things Big Things One Day Come

Atlantic City

Straight Time

I Wish I Was Blind

Promised land

Bobby Jean

Tougher Than the Rest

Two Hearts

Wrecking Ball

I'm Going Down

My City of Ruins

(Shit. I forgot Thunder Road)

Colin Gawel wrote this at Colin's Coffee. He is taking his 12 year old son Owen to his 2nd Springsteen show tonight. If you would like to discuss further, please come to the Pencilstorm Hall of Fame party at the CD1025 Big Room Bay on Thursday April 14th. 6-9pm. Willie Phoenix playing at 8. FREE. Details here.

 

 

 

Pencilstorm on Springsteen: Our Top Five Stories So Far

A very wise band from DE-troit, Michigan once said, "The time has come for each and every one of you to decide whether you are gonna be the problem or whether you are gonna the solution."  (I fully realize that adage may have originated elsewhere - like Voltaire, or Benjamin Franklin, or a Marvel comic book - but being a West Side rock & roll boy, I only know it from The MC-5.)  I thought of that quote last Friday when Bruce Springsteen cancelled his North Carolina show over the issue of LGBT rights, and reminded me of those long-lost days when rock stars cared more about social issues and less about how many of their tunes they could peddle to car company commercials, in order to sell their souls to the highest bidder.

So, as a kind of preview to Tuesday's E Street Band show at Value City Arena (there's that highest bidder thing, again) we at Pencilstorm thought we'd post links to our five favorite Bruce stories we've run in the past.  (Later in the week, sometime after the Willie Phoenix show Thursday at the CD 102.5 Big Room Bar during the Pencilstorm Hall of Fame festivities, Ricki C. will be providing his review of the show, which is taking place exactly 40 years & 1 week after the first time Ricki saw Springsteen, April 5th, 1976.)  

Click here to read "The Perfect Age For Rock n Roll Pt 2"  - Ricki C. describes seeing Bruce for the first time in 1976. This whole series is a must, must read. 

Click here to read "My Chance Meeting With Bruce or His chance Meeting With Me" - Colin G. once hung out with Bruce, one on one, for about 45 minutes. Go figure.

Click here to read " A Review of Bruce Springsteen Cincinnati 2014" - Ricki C reviews Bruce 38 years after seeing his first show.

Click here to read "In His Passing, Clarence Has Given Bruce the Gift of Music Everlasting" - Before there was Pencilstorm. Colin wrote this review of the dazzling new E Street line-up on the Wrecking Ball tour for Colingawel.com

Click here to read "Bruce Springsteen & the E Street Band, Veteran's Memorial, 1978" - Ricki C on his favorite Springsteen show ever.

a little video action from the current tour

Recorded at the Prudential Center in Newark, NJ on January 31, 2016. Video by larryrulz, 587melsam, Scottypup1234 and Jörg Mehlow. Audio is soundboard.

 

 

 

Four String Brew's Dan Cochran Talks About Playing in Why Isn't Cheap Trick in the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?

Why Isn't Cheap Trick  in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? is playing Ace of Cups Friday, April 8th. Click here for details

- What is is about Cheap Trick that motivated you to join this band?
 
Dan - I’ve been a Cheap Trick fan for years now.  They have such a great catalog of tunes, and most of it is underrated.  In addition to that, they have toured forever.  It’s great for fans, because they come through most American cities every year.  They headline their own shows, open for obscure bands, play corporate gigs, and come through on festival dates.  If you pay attention, you can see them a couple times of year without having to travel very far.
 
 - Tom Petersson and his 12-string bass have a very distinctive sound, how has your rig evolved over the years trying to simulate it?
 
Dan - When we started this thing four years ago, I really had no idea what I was getting into.  The first few years, I used one of my Fender basses and my regular rig.  I’ve always played with my fingers and continued to do so on the Cheap Trick tunes.  In the end, it didn’t feel right and it didn’t sound right.  What a lot of people don’t understand is that Petersson’s sound is most of what you hear in the Cheap Trick sound.  His bass covers a giant frequency range, and the way he plays holds down the bottom end while creating melody and full harmonic range at the same time is truly distinctive.  

Once I really started listening to the Budokan record, I realized that he was playing most of the parts.  What I thought was guitarist Rick Nielsen in so many places was actually Petersson.  Nielsen really just paints on top of everything with tasty leads (and writes nearly all of the tunes).  Even Robin Zander plays more guitar live than people think…..and not like a pussy either (Bono).  So, I realized last year that I needed to take the plunge and get the 12-string bass sound going.  For those who don’t know, Tom Petersson literally invented the 12-string bass.  His basses have multiple outputs and he splits his signal in many ways.  Nobody knows for sure exactly how he is crossing the frequencies. He also changes his amplifiers on a regular basis.  For me, part of the fun of going to see CT is to stand stage left in front of Petersson and look at what amps he brought out.  It’s different every time, and always totally bad-ass.  

Dan Working on Gonna Raise Hell at his Brewery. Photo by Chris Casella. Bass Tuning by Oscar.

Dan Working on Gonna Raise Hell at his Brewery. Photo by Chris Casella. Bass Tuning by Oscar.

I decided against buying a 12-string bass.  What I would want is ridiculously expensive and I’m still not convinced it would sound right.  So, the challenge is to get a distorted 12-string bass sound from a 4-string bass.  With some help from bandmate Rick Kinsinger, I started building the rig.  I have played with bass distortion for many years, and there is a major problem with it.  No matter what pedal you use, the low end goes away when the distortion is engaged.  So, the answer is to split the signal.  I use my regular rig for a clean low end.  It’s a Traynor 200 watt bass head on an Ampeg SVT ported 4x10.  For the high end, I’m basically putting a guitar half-stack on top of my other amp. This year I’m using a Sovtek 50 watt head on a vintage Music Man folded cabinet.   The high end signal is run through distortion and a pitch fork pedal.  The pitch fork gives me the octaves for the 12-string sound.  Together, it sounds killer!  

The other issue is what bass to use.  When I plug a Fender bass through it, it sounds great, but not like Petersson.  Last year I used a vintage Gibson Thunderbird.  It was perfect!  Everything I wanted.  Lately, Petersson has been playing a semi-hollow body Gretsch 12-string.  I recently found a 4-string version of the bass that is really cool.  That’s what I’m using for the show this year.  The hollow body gets a great low end tone and tons of feedback!  It’s basically a giant guitar envy setup, which has been a lot of fun. 


- Do you feel like Tom gets enough credit strictly as a bass player? 
 
Dan - No, I don’t think he does. I think it’s linear with Cheap Trick as a band.  They are one of the great bands in rock & roll, and most people don’t realize it.  Petersson is the same way.  If you ask bass players who their favorite players are, his name doesn’t usually come up.  It’s probably because of his crazy tone and 12-string basses.  What CT fans need to know is that his sound IS Cheap Trick.  His sound covers the entire stage.  He’s more than a bass player.  There aren’t many other examples of this.  John Entwistle from The Who is one.  I remember reading an interview with Pete Townsend talking about the reunion tour The Who did back in the late 80’s.  They decided that because of hearing damage, the stage volume would have to stay below 90 db.  The problem was that when The Ox wasn’t able to turn the full rig on, they had to hire strings, keys, and horns to sonically fill things out.  Petersson does the same thing.
 
 - What are your favorite Cheap Trick songs to perform live?
 
Dan -  I really like the heavy stuff….Auf Wiedersehen, He’s a Whore, On Top of the World, etc.
 
- Who are some of your other favorite bass players?
 
Dan -  There are so many: James Jamerson, Donald “Duck” Dunn, John Paul Jones and Paul McCartney are a few.
 
 - Four String Brewing is going through a major expansion and you have two young ones at home, how do you find the time to squeeze in a project like this?
 
Dan - That’s a great question.  My time has gotten really tight in the last year or two.  We just built a new production facility on the West side, expanded the Grandview taproom, and opened distribution in the rest of the state.  I decided a few months ago to promote my two year old son, Oscar.  He’s basically running the show these days: running the brewery, booking gigs, and working as my bass tech.  He gets a little whiny sometimes, but I don’t have to pay him.  It’s a good deal.  The brewers get a little pissed off that they have to report to a two year old, but whatever.
 
- If I stopped by the Four String Taproom and I hear some Cheap Trick playing, what beer would go best with that?
 
Dan - Definitely a Brass Knuckle Pale Ale!
 
 - Any chance of a special edition 12 String Brew in honor of Tom Petersson making the Rock & Roll Hall of Fame?
 
Dan - I think we would have to brew (3) Four String beers for the math to work.

Dan Cochran is a founding member of the band Why Isn't Cheap Trick in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? and the Four String Brewing Company. He also plays bass in Colin Gawel and The Lonely Bones and toured the world and elsewhere with the band Big Back 40. Four String Brew is available everywhere so look for it on a tap or in a store.

Auf Wiedersehen / Goodnight - Cheap Trick Live 01-21-89 at the Palace of Auburn Hills.

Tom Petersson Hoisting a Four String Brew to Honor Dan.